Why is it so hard to hire a decent marketer? I’m bootstrapping a startup, and I need to get an ho...Why is it so hard to hire a decent marketer? I’m bootstrapping a startup, and I need to get an ho...
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Why is it so hard to hire a decent marketer?
I’m bootstrapping a startup, and I need to get an honest take from other founders because my second hiring round on Contra just completely burned 3 days.
My first experience with Contra was actually brilliant. I posted a project to revamp our pitch deck, and the response was fantastic. I ended up with a shortlist of almost 25 exceptionally talented people. It was honestly hard to pick just one because everyone I spoke to was so sharp and good at what they did. It felt collaborative, easy, and worthwhile.
Because of that success, I had high expectations for this second project. Instead, it turned out to be a complete waste of time.
We are building CRITER.AI to help international students deal with the stress of Australian student visa applications. We’re in our beta phase and trying to hit a simple target: recruit 400 prospective students to complete an intake form, after which we give each student $500 in credits to test out during the beta. Because of where international students come from, our marketing needed to be properly targeted on TikTok, Facebook, and LinkedIn across five specific countries: India, China, Nepal, Brazil, and Colombia.
A few things really caught me off guard:
First, the endless copy-pasted AI proposals. I work in AI every day and I’ve spent over a year training models myself, so I spot LLM text straight away. I’m not AI-Phobic by any stretch, but the irony of getting so many identical, robotic pitches for a human-focused marketing role was frustrating.
Second, the expectation of being paid upfront to test ideas. Coming from a legal background where I worked "no win, no fee" for years, I don't get paid unless I deliver tangible results. I’m not looking for free labour, (what's that mantra, you get what you pay for?). But almost every marketer bidding on this wanted to be paid upfront just to experiment or try out a few ideas. Anyone can generate 20 campaign ideas in a chatbot for free in 30 seconds.
We are handing out genuine value ($500 in credits per student), so the offer for students is already strong upon signing up: https://forms.gle/dLZq2xMqbwxrXWtUA
I don't want to pay someone to play around with my budget; I need execution, regional context, and performance tied to actual results like getting students to complete the form.
To top it off, Contra's team emailed me offering to send "handpicked personnel" to help. I thought that would save me time. They sent over a list, and literally every single one of those handpicked freelancers replied saying they were either too busy or the project wasn't for them. What's the point of curated matching if the talent isn't even available?
The final stats on my dashboard were 200+ applicants, 104 marked "not a fit", 77 messaged, 3 shortlisted, and zero hires made.
I did chat with a couple of people I genuinely liked, but I can already tell it’s going to end the same way, where everyone wants to get paid for ideation instead of proof and results. At this point, I'm just going to close the job post without hiring anyone and rethink how to do this myself.
For other bootstrapped founders out there
How on earth are you hiring growth talent who are actually willing to tie compensation to real deliverables, without wading through a sea of lazy copy-paste applications?
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Also, shout out to those who completed the form, even though they had no interest in beta testing the product. Like that was so funny!😂
Seth's avatar
I think the issue is less about marketers wanting upfront payment and more about how the hiring process measures them.
For a campaign like this, I'd focus less on proposals and more on a small, clearly defined paid test: one target market, specific deliverables, clear KPIs, and a...
Bammy's avatar
Exactly. The real test isn’t who can produce the most ideas, it’s who can turn one good hypothesis into execution, measure what happens, and know what to change next. That’s where the difference becomes obvious.
Grace Titilayo's avatar
I understand the main issue you’re facing: you need execution and measurable results, not generic ideas or someone simply experimenting with your budget.
My solution would be to start with a clearly defined pilot focused on your five target markets, with agreed deliverables,...
Sharon's avatar
The real difference is what happens after the ideas are presented. For a campaign like this, the marketer needs to turn those ideas into actual execution, test what resonates across each target market, track what is driving completed intake forms, and adjust based on the results.
Amenadiel's avatar
I think the part that stood out to me is the difference between having ideas and actually doing the work.
Anyone can come up with 20 campaign ideas. The harder part is putting one out there, seeing how real people respond, tracking what happens, and being willing to change...
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